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Showing posts with label freedom. Show all posts
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Tuesday, 23 July 2013

Instapundit opens up comments in a "grand experiment."

Posted on 06:47 by Unknown
He writes:
I’ve opened ‘em up before — and, for that matter, Ann Althouse did it once when I was away, to much excitement — but this new system should be much better. 
The system is part of "the new rollout of tech at PJ Media will allow one sign-in to work across the whole site," so you've got to join their system to be able to comment. And they will be able to manage you in ways that I was not able to manage my commenters (some of whom really were trying to destroy my blog and waste all our time).

Someone at Instapundit named Stoutcat says:
Where Althouse closes a door, Reynolds opens a window! This is an excellent idea, and I'm anticipating much enjoyment and eddification from reading your commenters, who are, no doubt, as far above Althouse's commenters, as hers were above the general horde.
Instapundit responds:
Yeah, Althouse's apparent joy at being comment-free gives me pause. But there' s no connection -- this has been in the works for months as part of PJ's single sign-on thing.
As for "Althouse's apparent joy at being comment-free," if that's what he's seeing, that is in fact only appearance. The loss has been very painful, because I believed the comments gave the place a lot of energy. But some unknown proportion of the commenters were people with ill will, who wanted destruction, and deleting even the ones we knew about had become literally a full-time job. But I wasn't in some big old system with lots of tech people. I've kept independent, with the simplicity of the people's platform, Blogger, which won't let me exclude people. I could only delete, which was a technique that my most aggressive antagonists used against me (and against all the other commenters who'd contributed so much over the years).

That really hurt, but I'm an optimist, and — like a blog — I live in the present and move forward, so I find the good in whatever the situation is, continually making choices about how to keep things as good as possible, and the day came when the balance of good and bad in the comments experience tipped so severely that I couldn't maintain the sunny denial needed to put up with everything. Since then, I've felt the loss, and part of the loss is seeing exiled commenters talking about me elsewhere on the web, forgetting/ignoring the problem that made me close the comments — as if I would shut off the comments because people attacked my writings! — and saying such nasty things about me that I could get depressed brooding about the real proportion of good faith to bad faith commenters.

But I've got to resist traipsing down that detour as I continue on the road of blogging, where I've found so much joy in the past and hope to find more, doing things in this newly simplified style. Meanwhile, Instapundit gets fancier, as PJ Media makes its play to become a social media enterprise. That's the road I've diverged from. I can't be your social media website.

I've redefined my task as something I can do alone, not that I'm alone. I've got Meade — the commenter I married — walking with me every step of the way. I've got all the joy I can handle, and maybe it is joy at being comment-free. I'm a less is more kind of person. My own version of that slogan is: Better than nothing is a high standard. I do notice and take joy in the negatives that I'm free of. That's called freedom, and comment-free is a kind of freedom.

ADDED: I said it back in 2004:
Why do you blog? > To live freely in writing.
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Sunday, 7 July 2013

Instapundit says that what he thinks about what he calls my "advice" is "immaterial" but that it's "probably pretty good advice"...

Posted on 07:26 by Unknown
... on what he calls "a prudential level."

So — for all that softening — there's still one strong word: "advice." I stand accused of giving "advice," but I don't see that I gave advice in that statement of mine that he quotes at the link. He introduced my quote with the opinion that I'm speaking "kind of social-connishly." "Kind of" is more softening — but the reader is told to see me as giving socially conservative advice.

Now, I don't think I'm giving any advice other than to say: You are free, you need to think about how you use your freedom, and don't just think about your own perspective as you make arguments that law and society ought to be arranged to facilitate your choices. I'd say I'm being quite libertarian. And as for social connishness, I support abortion rights, same-sex marriage, and — it's right there in my quote — I'm not out to punish those who decline to channel their sexuality into committed relationships with child-rearing. I'm just defending legal and political decisions that center on protecting the interests of children rather than the ability of males to avoid the consequences of procreation, consequences that occur even though the male power over reproduction ends — because he controls only his body and not the woman's — at an earlier point in time than the woman's. This leaves some men aggrieved that a woman didn't abort a baby he didn't want, and I'm just not too sympathetic about this male plight. So maybe I am giving "advice" in the form of saying: Don't expect sympathy.

But Glenn must think I'm advising everyone to form stable, committed, child-rearing couples, because he goes on to say, that my advice is "of course, advice one dare not give to women in today’s society without facing a huge backlash." Of course? Dare not? Oh, come on. How daring do you need to be to tell women they'll be better off in stable relationships? I'll say it now, and I think this advice is given all the time. Huge backlash? I take it he's referring to the "war on women" politics that permeated the 2012 elections, because he goes on to say:
When Rush Limbaugh suggested that Sandra Fluke should at least pay for her own birth control, he was savaged. 
Rush was savaged because he made a joke that was easily portrayed as ugly (and stupid). He set up the false premise that if insurance covers a woman's birth control expenses, she's being paid to have sex and therefore she's a prostitute. And, on a roll, he went ahead and said that if we — the people paying into the insurance pool — were paying for a prostitute, we ought to get the sex, so she should at least give us video of herself having sex.

Now, I listen to Rush, and I get his humor, which is sometimes over-the-top — being absurd to illustrate the absurd, he likes to say. But that was really too nasty, especially since it named and targeted a specific woman, who wasn't — especially at that point — much of a public figure. Sandra Fluke was a women's health-care advocate — still a student — who had testified about how difficult it is for young women to pay for their birth control expenses. Whatever you think about Obamacare and covering the ordinary health-care expenses that young people have, you've got to concede that Limbaugh was not savaged because he "suggested that Sandra Fluke should at least pay for her own birth control."

So Glenn begins with a distorted picture of my "advice" and a bizarrely exaggerated claim of how difficult it is to give women advice. He goes on:
But to suggest that a man should pay child support for 18 years because a woman lied about birth control is fine. You can’t say “she should keep her legs closed,” but you can say, “he should keep it in his pants.” That’s fine.
I certainly will say that fathers owe their children support, and I don't want he said/she said legal battles over women who supposedly lied about birth control.  I agree that it's socially acceptable to say that, and I even suspect Glenn would agree with me about most instances of men who failed to take responsibility for their own birth control and have sex with women who might be deceitful.

But I don't agree that you can't advise women to withhold sex. I'd give that advice, although I would not say it in the crude and old-fashioned "keep your legs closed" form. (I would talk about valuing your own body and your own long-term interests.) And as for telling the man to "keep it in his pants," the main "it" that has concerned me in these recent discussions is sperm. Not the penis. Not even the seminal fluid, since I offered the option of freezing sperm and having a vasectomy. But I think it's ineffective to just tell people — males and females — not to have sex. Women will have distinctive feminist answers to any anti-sex pressure. You'll be accused of wanting a return to the archaic subordination of women. Men can only say you're puritanical or anti-freedom. So what? The pro-free-sex arguments are out there for both males and females.
Over the past several decades, women have asserted a right to make all the judgments in matters of gender and sexuality. 
All the judgments? You mean all the judgments about their own bodies. Men can't control women's bodies anymore. Women have won that argument in America (except to the extent there are some limits on abortion). But I don't think too many women are asserting a right to control men's bodies, unless you think the sperm that has escaped from the man's possession and merged with an egg inside the woman's body should be reclaimable by him somehow. It's the woman — under American law — who gets to determine the significance of that growing entity, whether it's a human being deserving the chance to live, because pregnancy happens inside her body, dependent on her bodily organs. The man doesn't have the right to force her to have an abortion. I doubt if Glenn would favor a man's right of that sort.
And, in fact, we do “facilitate” destructive choices, when they’re by women. We subsidize unwed mothers, we give women a pass on sexual behavior that would be considered predatory if it were done by males, we give them all sorts of “choice” that men don’t have and then absolve them, culturally and legally, from judgment over the way they exercise those choices. No similar dispensation is given to men.
Not even if the male has the primary child-care-giving role? I don't think the line is between male and female here. I think it's about children. I think our welfare policies are neutral about passing judgment on sexual behavior. If men want a "similar dispensation," let them take an equivalent role with respect to children. Do they even want that? It looks like they just want out of child support. They are treated differently because they are doing something different. I know many will want to repeat the complaint about the male's loss of decisionmaking power at an earlier point in the reproductive process, but this is a blatant biological difference, and it's why the man needs to watch where he lets his sperm go. That's his big opportunity to control his destiny.

Glenn returns to his idea that I'm prescribing a behavioral norm for everyone:
A society that ran according to Ann Althouse’s views on marriage and commitment might, in fact, be a better one than the one we live in now, but it is most definitely not the one we live in now. 
I'm not an ideologue about how everyone ought to live. I like individualism, autonomy, freedom, and personal responsibility. I'm not yearning for an old-fashioned society where everyone channels their sexuality into marriage and child-rearing. So what I'm saying doesn't require the society to change into something else. I'm talking about the world as we find it and recommend that people face it as it is and figure out how to live. This is an individual's choice. You can be a good person in a completely evil world, which is obviously not a description of America today. Our society has some problems, but that doesn't change the call to the individual to be a good person and to find a way to live a moral and worthy life. (You can decide to be a completely selfish and unproductive person, but there are consequences, and it's not necessarily easy.)

Referencing the imperfections of modern life, Glenn goes on to say:
Observing that, and noting the unfairnesses involved, is not “victimology” — though given how successful women have been in obtaining power via victimology, no one should be surprise [sic] if men start to give it a try.
So, Glenn is both resisting the breadth of the "victimology" label and toying with the notion that it might be a good strategy for men to use that label. That is, he's contemplating the rhetoric and seems ambivalent. Let's think about this more: Should men move in this direction in the political discourse, portraying themselves as victims? The absurd version of this is claiming to be victims of the way women have gotten so much out of claiming to be victims. Maybe Glenn wants to say since women have gained so much out of claiming to be victims, men should rebalance things by showing that they too are victims. There are costs to that strategy. I prefer to call everyone — male and female — to greater clarity in thinking about how he or she can live a good life.

Next, Glenn disagrees with a belief that I don't think anyone has:
But I do not believe that women deserve a monopoly in determining what views on gender and sexuality and parenting are acceptable. Why would they?
A monopoly on what views are acceptable? Many people state a view and act like it's the only acceptable view. That's typical of political argument. That doesn't stop their opponents from doing the same. But I don't hear anyone saying that men aren't even allowed to participate in the discussion.

And yet Glenn says:
What’s funny is that so many women seem genuinely perplexed that men would even dispute that monopoly. 
I'm only perplexed at the claim that there is a monopoly!
Ann is a thoughtful and open-minded and smart woman, but at some level I feel like she doesn’t really get it. 
What, exactly, is the "it"? Is it the original subject: that men who left their sperm somewhere out of their control are expected to support their own children? I certainly get that men would rather hold onto their money and that they feel ripped off. I just understand why the legal and political decisions put a relatively light weight on that particular preference.
But then, that’s what women have been saying to men on gender issues for decades: “You just don’t get it!” Maybe the not-getting goes both ways. 
Okay, then, I've given Glenn some material to get. We'll see how that goes.
The problem is, if society is to accomplish the goals that Ann sets out above...
Again, I did not set goals. I only called individuals to clear, moral thinking about their own lives.
... it needs to be a reasonably attractive proposition for both men and women. 
With my clarification of what I am doing, this clause makes no sense. I know Glenn is, at this point in his post, building in the thesis of his wife Helen Smith's book "Men on Strike." In order to offer up the idea that marriage needs to be a deal that both men and women will accept, he's using me for premise that marriage is the goal. I don't like that.

He then says:
How are we doing with that? At the risk of stepping on my wife’s turf, I’d say not so well.
At that point he links to this video summary of Helen's book. The book is "Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream - and Why It Matters" — which I have read — and the video is called "Six Reasons Why Men Are Avoiding Marriage":



Does this video show that men are not doing well? Glenn's "I’d say not so well" actually doesn't refer to whether men are doing well, but whether marriage is "a reasonably attractive proposition for both men and women."

In the video, Helen gives 6 reasons why a man today might analyze his personal interests and decide against marriage. So men are doing what suits them. Helen is not saying they're misjudging their situation. She's saying they are behaving rationally in their own self-interest. The implication seems to be that women are losing out on the opportunity to have marriage partners. That would mean women ought to make concessions and, in their self-interest, offer men a better deal.

Are men "on strike"? The labor union analogy implies that these men who are choosing, rationally, not to marry are somehow organized, acting together, and making demands and that women are somehow the management, the boss. But these men are individuals, and — if we're talking about marriage — they only want one woman.

I'm not the social engineer type. I've always only been talking about individual decisionmaking. Decide for yourself what you want. I do see the problem that if the sex drive is easily satisfied outside of marriage, it becomes difficult for any given woman to ask for much in a marriage, but I don't see this as a reason to lower her standards.
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Blog Archive

  • ▼  2013 (500)
    • ▼  August (111)
      • If the NY sales tax exempts "dramatic or musical a...
      • Pictures from the first walk on the new floor.
      • "It's just nuts. It's crazy." Why are you texting ...
      • The floor project, Day 5, continued.
      • "Eight staffers at Cory Booker's tech start-up hav...
      • Chicago Public Schools provides "safe passage" map...
      • The floor project, Day 5.
      • "We are fuming - this person acted terribly wrong....
      • "I may yet get married — statistically 90% of peop...
      • How big law firms entertain summer associates.
      • "Feminism, in short, doesn't just empower women. I...
      • "We see the writing the wall, and we have decided ...
      • Goodbye to Karen Black.
      • The floor project, end of Day 4.
      • Jim S. is right, I need more nominees for Most Emb...
      • "Which ultimately does more good — an article or m...
      • 10 things Scott Walker should do to position himse...
      • Did Reza Aslan, a Muslim writing about Jesus in "Z...
      • "Government is the same institution that takes ove...
      • "Bob Dylan ran through the 18th century English fo...
      • "Booker's stake is a bribe."
      • "There is no spying on Americans."
      • Mr. Bezos, tear down that wall.
      • Most Embarrassing Sentence in Major Media, 2013.
      • The floor project, end of Day 3.
      • Rose of Sharon.
      • "In 2003, the New York Times published a lengthy a...
      • 12 years without sex, or as Sophie Fontanel calls ...
      • Hibiscus.
      • "Look, Putin doesn't deserve the respect after wha...
      • "We were counting on you to break down the transge...
      • 27-year-old Madison man faces reality and takes ac...
      • I wasn't going to blog "18 Ways To Eat Hummus All ...
      • "There is absolutely nothing worse than the stereo...
      • "Plans by three Catholic hospital systems in Wisco...
      • Why is Madison police chief Nobel Wray retiring?
      • FireDogLake calls out Kos: "Markos Moulitsas’ Ugly...
      • The floor project, end of Day 2.
      • "I find it so entertaining a small group of whack ...
      • "I’m polyamorous, which means I believe you can lo...
      • "It is ironic that Austen, the elegant, precise sa...
      • The Atlantic empowers readers to post comments nex...
      • Exile from the big room.
      • Great ad for a pushup bra.
      • "You are a drama queen," said the cop to the man h...
      • The carrots tag.
      • In 1993, "50% of the women were scoring as mascul...
      • ABC News producer Don Ennis was happy you accepted...
      • "Bezos believes that a big reset button is being h...
      • The age-old advice: Do something.
      • Bezos and the WaPo paywall.
      • "This is the inspiring story of Hafid from Dubai, ...
      • Ted Cruz said: "Buzzfeed — the leftwing site — y’a...
      • "It's just upsetting to have lost that way. I don'...
      • "The Washington Post Co. has agreed to sell its fl...
      • "Wisconsin DNR removes Facebook page amid national...
      • The floor project, end of Day 1.
      • Here's a little something for those of you...
      • The "therapy dog" scam.
      • "It’s not the content... We don’t regulate content."
      • "To adapt H.L. Mencken, nobody ever went broke und...
      • Yielding the floor.
      • "Many workplace set ups undermine introverted empl...
      • "One of the few advantages of dying from Grade 3, ...
      • "A luxury toilet controlled by a smartphone app is...
      • "The cultured meat is originally white; the burger...
      • Threats of rape and murder over replacing Charles ...
      • "The student was McGinn’s paid research assistant ...
      • Dog, boat, ball.
      • What's the point of committing suicide...
      • Why do philosophy professors call themselves "phil...
      • "'Heaven sees what the people see, Heaven hears wh...
      • Do you really need that much dessert?
      • "I’ve done work with the University of Michigan th...
      • Prow dog.
      • "The pros and cons of sex before marriage."
      • "This house can’t believe you’re scrolling through...
      • "Why Russia Turned Against The Gays."
      • "How Friedrich Engels’ Radical Lover Helped Him Fa...
      • The summer deskscape.
      • Sexual harassment in academia: It depends on what ...
      • "He blamed his mother for chewing her food too lou...
      • Bolus.
      • "With no notice, the man stepped forward, grabbed ...
      • Feminist blogger suspects that the AP meant to say...
      • "Where we were. What we were doing."
      • Sitting with Abby and Zeus.
      • "This legislation ensures that local communities h...
      • The Tea Party "is the same group we faced in the S...
      • "Did Althouse ask permission before taking this pi...
      • "'You know, you shouldn't do that,' said her compa...
      • "Jake Tapper reveals classified information about ...
      • "It's like Santa for your vagina."
      • I see that 4 readers bought "$64,000 Jazz"...
      • "A Unicornucopia of Crazy."
      • Scenes from the smoke shop.
      • How to be a great houseguest.
      • From "dark, prominent, sculpted" to nothing at all.
      • The "the legions of mulleteers" don't even "seem t...
      • "Well, I might write a more satisfactory book if I...
      • "Wealthy gay dad, Barrie Drewitt-Barlow, says he a...
      • Supporting gay marriage because one's son is gay.
      • Seen in Madison, today.
      • "17 Best U.S. Cities for Hippies."
      • I ask Glenn Loury if he thinks it was a mistake to...
      • Glenn Loury and I don't see what's so bad about An...
      • $700,000 to $800,000 spent to erase a quote that w...
      • "The Burka Avenger wears a flowing black veil — on...
      • The Queen's WWIII speech.
      • Do we pity the man who is, against his will, force...
      • "These guys are looking for a diversion from the h...
    • ►  July (389)
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